If women were more inclined to go into math/engineering/sciences then their average pay would be closer to that of men.
If math/engineering/sciences were not socially gendered occupational fields that create… […]
Circular logic has come full circle.
Proof in point, the reason companies and schools spend so much time trying to entice women into fields and departments they don’t currently saturate is because traditionally, they weren’t welcome.
Women don’t major in computer science. School recognizes women aren’t signing up so they try to recruit women. Radical feminist uses this as proof that women were pushed away.
> Pulling women in = pushing women away.
> Not pulling women in = pushing women away.
> Not doing anything = pushing women away.
The victim complex is strong in this one.
As I said, class dismissed.
Don’t assume that you know me, my life, or my career choices because I am a women, or assume that my knowledge of workplace and gender history somehow pales to yours because I’m a feminist and therefore, I must not know any better. If you’re not prepared to consider that there are people other than yourself who are in fact highly educated about topics that you can Google, step down off your soapbox and try learning something before forming a blanket opinion based on your limited understanding of the issues at hand.
Now, with that out of the way, while I am thrilled that organizations are taking the time to push for women in the workplace, change is not instant and stigma doesn’t just “go away”. You are suggesting that women aren’t interested in male-dominated fields just because, and I am stating that no, after years of gendering the workplace women don’t feel welcome in these fields- yet, and yet being the operative word. The fact that they [large organizations/ corporations] are working towards changing that sense of non-belonging is progress, but the fact that the underlying social system itself has not yet changed means A+ for effort, but we still haven’t seen marketable results.
Consider first and foremost that all major leaps forward in the women’s rights movement have happened (more or less) in the last century. Now, consider that we have about nine more centuries of patriarchal social history queuing up behind that which is responsible for the creation of every single male/female stereotype, archetype and generalization still perpetuated today.
To use a more understandable example:
In 1865, slavery in the USA was abolished. In 1955, Rosa Parks refused to give up her “white seat” on an Alabama bus line. Up until 1970, schools in the USA were still segregated, despite the winning of the Brown vs. Education board civil suit of 1954. Racism continued on into the 80s, 90s and finally… Despite still being a fundamentally racist society, President Obama was sworn into office January 20, 2009 and the first thing we did? Threatened him with political assassination and demanded to see his birth certificate. But of course, you’re not personally a racist, so you don’t need to worry about that, right?
But, since we’re on the topic of fun historical facts, let’s talk women’s rights. Women were given the vote in 1920 (55 years after we thought hey, slavery isn’t a super-duper idea) and around 1939 to 1945, women were allowed to work, but only because there weren’t enough men to do the job (nothing like a good ol’ war, huh?). Now, keep in mind these were not educated jobs, these were factory jobs. In fact, the University of Cambridge (and many others) did not formerly recognize women’s degrees until 1947, and only after a lengthy civil dispute. So, while exceptions to these historical norms do exist (thank god Elizabeth Blackwell) the fundamental truth is, women’s rights are historically “new” to our society, our culture, and our concept of gender and ignoring that fact is both blatantly and electively ignorant.
Basically, history is the foundation of our future, of our modern existence, and in the same way white folk are still fucking bitter over any scrap of privilege given to people of color as an I’m-sorry-card for the last few centuries, men are bitter about women getting “handouts”. So, before you get lippy with someone who clearly knows more about the social order than you, take a deep breath and consider your that opinion might not be as valuable as you think it is.
Not to mention the fact that women have written about their experiences in the math/engineering/science/tech industries and expressly stated that it’s often a hostile work environment. People like Greg Rucka, comic book author, have spoken about how this hostility starts before girls are even out of middle school. Gave you a couple of examples of this environment, but I basically put that there for others and I’m not going to link any more of them because I’m sure you don’t really care.